MyDD :: Bittergate: Hillary's Ringer Exposed

Bittergate: Hillary's Ringer Exposed

by LtWorf, Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:02:30 PM EST

It would seem that one of those "bitter" Pennsylvanians isn't registered to vote in the state.

Hillary Clinton's campaign picked one of their campaign volunteers who lived 99.5 percent of his life in New Jersey and only recently moved to Pennsylvania for their Bittergate ad.

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/p olitics/blog/2008/04/clintons_offended_p a_voter_not.html

Is this a big deal? In the grand scheme of things, probably not. But I have to ask one fundamental question: if you're HRC and there is a perception outside of your campaign that you have a problem with the truth, why in the hell would you allow something like this to happen when it's likely to be scrutinized?

Personally, I hope the Obama campaign does nothing with it and I certainly hope that it's not blown up to some big deal, but the powers that be in her campaign are doing their candidates no favors with this kind of blatant stupidity.

Tags: bitter, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Pennsylvania (all tags)

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That person lives in... (2.00 / 1)

PA right? Big deal.

by soyousay on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:07:35 PM EST

Re: That person lives in... (1.66 / 3)

Exactly. He lives in PA now. He didn't several months ago.

The TRUTH is he lives there now. Just like the TRUTH is there are plenty of pissed off bitter people in small towns in PA.

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by LtWorf on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:11:28 PM EST
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and your point is... (2.00 / 1)

People move all the time...so what?

by soyousay on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:13:40 PM EST
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you go way off base (1.66 / 3)

when you talk about people in PA that way just to support Obama's bullshit spin about calling us all narrow minded bigots.

Attack people in your own state, those are my neighbors you are talking about.

For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!

by TeresaInPa on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:16:27 PM EST
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Re: you go way off base (none / 0)

ya know, if after 30 years you've watched your job opportunities decline, and economic lies be perpetuated by both sides of the aisle, doesn't it make sense to vote for whoever you think is more in line with your cultural values? I may not be from PA, but I'm pretty bitter with republicans, and several dems in my home state of washington.

by Djo on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 06:50:47 PM EST
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TR'd by Terry (2.00 / 0)

TR'd by Teresa for no apparent reason. So very, very typical. Have fun in the world of lollipop dreams and soda pop fantasies known as Hillaryland, Teresa.

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by LtWorf on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:17:50 PM EST
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I agree with you (2.00 / 1)

The guy lives there NOW and the truth is there are plenty of pissed off and bitter people; they're pissed off and bitter at Obama for calling them racist and assuming that they cling to their guns and religion out of frustration.

by soyousay on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:23:35 PM EST
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Re: I agree with you (none / 0)

Wow, and yet the pollsters miss these people every time. I guess they're gonna be really pissed when Barack gets the nomination because your "experienced" candidate has done such an amateur job of campaigning.

Did you perhaps take a look at the 19 page poll which shows that the exact opposite of what you said is true? Or is that some more of that math witch craft that we Obama fans practice?

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by lockewasright on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:30:11 PM EST
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The most recent... (none / 0)

polls don't reflect this information because they were done prior to Obama's comments.

by soyousay on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:42:23 PM EST
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Re: The most recent... (none / 0)

Except that a whole handful of polls have been released on data gathered AFTER Obama's comments and they back up exactly what I am saying.

Other than stating the exact opposite of the truth, you're right though.

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by lockewasright on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:02:05 PM EST
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Re: Sounds like he moved to PA after Feb 5th (none / 0)

and is working on the Hillary campaign. Maybe he's moving to West Virginia next week.

by moffcz on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:42:06 PM EST
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and he said (2.00 / 2)

that Pennsylvanians deserve better than what Obama said and he is right.

wow, talk about reaching for something to get up in arms about.

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by TeresaInPa on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:09:03 PM EST

Re: and he said (2.00 / 1)

They deserve someone like Al Gore, Theresa, like we all do. However, I will take Obama over Clinton any day.

I do, however, find it curious that your chosen candidate in your sig line has chosen to not back the spouse of the man he served under for eight years.

Curious indeed.

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by LtWorf on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:13:38 PM EST
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oooh, clever (none / 0)

lol

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by TeresaInPa on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:17:13 PM EST
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It took Obama..... (2.00 / 1)

20 years to realize that Rev. Wright say controversial things....Does time really matter? :D

by soyousay on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:09:36 PM EST

No Big Deal (2.00 / 1)

I figured that all the 'Pennsylvanians' in the ad were out of work actors anyway.
It was amazing how quickly that attack ad was created and aired.

Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie

by toyomama on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:11:38 PM EST

Re: No Big Deal (none / 0)

So you're saying the outrage against Obama was fake?

by moffcz on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:16:19 PM EST
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nope (none / 0)

the campaign is not hiring actors. They are too expensive. Only Obama has the cash to hire actors for his commercials.

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by TeresaInPa on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:19:14 PM EST
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Re: nope (2.00 / 1)

Hmmm got proof of that, Teresa? No, think not. You generally don't dabble in that.

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by LtWorf on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:21:11 PM EST
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Do you have proof of that? (none / 0)

If they're actors, don't you think the media would be all over it?

by soyousay on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:26:02 PM EST
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Re: Do you have proof of that? (none / 0)

I didn't use the word actor. I used the word "ringer"...you made the leap to actor.

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by LtWorf on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:43:03 PM EST
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Whatever... (none / 0)

it's not a big deal or the media would be all over it.

by soyousay on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:46:46 PM EST
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Re: Whatever... (2.00 / 0)

For all the talk of a 24-hour news cycle, news reporting unless it's earth shattering, doesn't begin until 6 p.m. If Olbermann has it, it may have some legs. If not, it goes the way of the dinosaur.

But what troubles me is that no one here answered my question. Why the hell would her campaign do this when she's likely to be more scrutinized for everything she says and does?

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by LtWorf on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:51:28 PM EST
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because it's petty... (none / 0)

that's why, but if you think it's that important, send it to Olbermann. It would be funny to see him report it; he already looks like an Obama supporter. He's already lost crediblity for being non-bias. Please send it so I can LMFAO :D

by soyousay on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:01:27 PM EST
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Re: because it's petty... (none / 0)

Again, reply but don't answer the question.

By the way, SoYouSay, Olbermann is paid for opinion, not to be objective. Countdown is NOTHING but opinion.

Why don't you learn the difference?

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by LtWorf on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:15:15 PM EST
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Who are you? a faceless (2.00 / 1)

blogger, nothing more and that's why I intend to write whatever I feel like. :D

In reference to Olbermann; he ought to get off Fox news case...His behavior is a mirror image of the pundits at Fox.

by soyousay on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:31:25 PM EST
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Re: Whatever... (2.00 / 1)

Because she is not the experienced and vetted politician that she thinks she is. Bill is. She's not. So, she makes this type of sloppy mistake.

I have been asking since super tuesday:

If she is so experienced and qualified as a tested politician and if Barack Obama is an upstart with no experience, how is it that in the face of an established Clinton political machine BO has won 2/3 of the states that have held contests to date, out raised her, compiled a larger number of donors, beat her in the irrelevant popular vote metric, and put the "inevitable" candidate in the position of desperate underdog?

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by lockewasright on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:18:20 PM EST
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Re: Whatever... (none / 0)

Thank you, Locke.

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by LtWorf on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:20:10 PM EST
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Personally... (none / 0)

"Personally, I hope the Obama campaign does nothing with it and I certainly hope that it's not blown up to some big deal..." but I am taking the time to diary this to ensure it will peter out and vanish the way an insignificant factoid should, oh, never mind.

by Sabrina Duncan on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:15:28 PM EST

Re: Personally... (2.00 / 0)

Sort of like the word "bitter."

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by LtWorf on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:20:30 PM EST
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Re: Personally... (2.00 / 1)

If you are suggesting that Obama's "bitter" comments are as negligible and unimportant as the fact you post, then you really do need to get back to the bridge, Lieutenant Worf.

by Sabrina Duncan on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:24:51 PM EST
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Re: Personally... (2.00 / 1)

The bitter comments aren't unimportant.

They're very important to Hillary's hopes. Which is why they're important to hillary supporters. But PA seems to be pretty much "yeah, duh?" and the Beltway types seem to be the only ones really offended. So, yeah, they're very important.

Just not to voters who aren't blind followers.

Fight the Smears!

by Lettuce on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:29:59 PM EST
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So you're (none / 0)

saying that people didn't find the comments offensive? If you were called a racist you wouldn't be offended?

by soyousay on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:44:54 PM EST
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Re: So you're (2.00 / 1)

If you strain, you can be offended by it, sure.

But you'd have to be offended by:
a) Most socio-political study of the issue
b) Comments by Bill Clinton in the 90s
c) Comments by Bill Clinton in the 00s
d) Everyone who said: 'Hey, you read "What's the Matter with Kansas?" It's interesting.

So yeah, Obama, keep offending people with your horrible horrible use of the truth.

And his comments weren't racist. They were sexist! Keep up with your talking points.

Fight the Smears!

by Lettuce on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:49:02 PM EST
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Well ... (none / 0)

It's not me Obama is trying to impress...it's Pennsylvania voters. He can use your "he did it too" argument if you think it will help correct his insult.

by soyousay on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:55:04 PM EST
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Re: Well ... (2.00 / 1)

Actually it was some Californian millionaires he had in mind when he uttered his insult. Some big donors with money in their pockets, and hopefully more in their wallets when he forgot himself, let down his guard, and said what he said.

by Scotch on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:07:07 PM EST
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Re: Well ... (none / 0)

Small donors, if you believe the person who filed the original report.

Which you must, given how often it gets quoted here.

But making up stuff to fit your rhetorical goals is fun. It must be, given how often doing so gets defended here.

Fight the Smears!

by Lettuce on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:22:01 PM EST
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Oh, and Bree? (1.00 / 2)

If you seriously believe that white blue collar workers in this country haven't blamed first blacks and now immigrants for the ills in America, my guess is you don't know many or you don't live in a rust belt city or town.

If you do, I apologize. But I have heard enough about the:

Spics
Moolies
spearchuckers
and, yes, niggers

from the mouths of these folks all while growing up in my rust belt town. And that rhetoric only gets ratcheted up when there are layoffs or plant closings. If that's not bitter, I don't know what the hell is. They're sure as hell not singing "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing."

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by LtWorf on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:56:37 PM EST
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Re: Oh, and Bree? (1.25 / 4)

Yeah, all that and more. Bullshit.

I've lived in the rust belt for over 50 years and have never heard what you have just vomited up. Perhaps it's the friend you attract, or the people you choose to hang out with who are the problem. Find some new friends.

by Scotch on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:04:20 PM EST
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Re: Oh, and Bree? (1.50 / 2)

Who the hell are you to equate your experiences to mine, you judgmental sycophant? You don't know where I grew up or where I live.

You don't even know my ethnic background, yet you TR me?

Here's an education for you Scotch. In the '70s, '80s and '90s, in Cleveland this was commonplace.

And so you're no longer the clueless dolt you show yourself to be. I am black and I ran through plenty of working class Italian, Croatian and Slovenian neighborhoods on Cleveland's eastside because they were the quickest way to my home.

Wanna know why I ran? Because teens and adults alike didn't hesitate to call me nigger or spearchucker.

I don't know the area where you grew up and currently live, but I wouldn't dare to make assumptions about it as you have here.

Lastly, none of these people that you ASSUME - you know ASS out of U and ME - I was associated with was a friend.

You're utterly ridiculous.

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by LtWorf on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:10:06 PM EST
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Re: Oh, and Bree? (1.50 / 2)

So you spread your personal experiences out to tar blue collar workers. Your anger and labeling is a little out of hand, and echoing a form of what Obama already offended people with is poor form. You also used a zero for retaliation against a troll rating and violated the rules on what to use zero ratings on as well. In fact name calling is of other posters is what is required for a zero rating according to Jerome last week. Now, I count 3 names you aimed at me, but zeroing you would only bring me down to your level somewhere I don't want to go.

by Scotch on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:21:48 PM EST
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Re: Oh, and Bree? (2.00 / 1)

If you're not going to admit that socio-economic problems and the lack of ANY help from D.C. do in fact drve bitterness and scapegoating then you can go ahead and 0 rate me for calling you a liar.

I grew up in the rust belt. I saw exactly what Warf is talking about. I am a jew so I am a member of a minority, but I have the advantage/curse of people not being able to tell at a glance that they shouldn't spout racist bullshit in front of me. I saw it. So has any other white guy who wants to be honest about it.

We jews learned all about the high cost of society not standing up to scapegoating. If that's a truth that you're willing to ignore because you find it useful to do so in a debate in a blog, well then you're going to need to find a negative rating to give me because I have a BUNCH more name calling to do.

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by lockewasright on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:35:00 PM EST
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Re: Oh, and Bree? (2.00 / 1)

No, sorry. I am not going to play the rust belt victim game just so you can use a debate in a blog to make political points. Ask Barack what explains the gun violence, bigotry, and church going in Chicago, or any other metropolitan area. Are those people bitter too, because they don't live in the rust belt. Obama chose to use country bumpkins in Pennsylvania to do what, to make what point? Why did he focus on people in PA and rural people to call them bitter? Might as well tell the truth. Half the people in the country are bitter, if not more, but Barack chose a certain group and I think he chose them because they are the people he just doesn't understand, or know how to interact with them. What does that say about his preconceived views of people not like him, people who approach religion differently, and the habits of people in small town america. It says something to me.

by Scotch on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 04:21:39 PM EST
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Re: Oh, and Bree? (none / 0)

Yes, those people in Chicago are bitter too. It manifests differently because they're in a different surrounding. Welcome to exactly the whole point of Barack's statement. You are now in agreement. Barack was exactly right about the larger point that years and years of no help from D.C. has caused a lot of people to become bitter.

Some of them have stayed schmucks though evidently.

Say, you don't think that the south side of Chicago has any intolerance, churches, or guns do you? You don't think the 2 places might be alike in that they share a certain hopelessness regarding prospects for a better life do you?

Think every once in a while before you type.

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by lockewasright on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 04:31:25 PM EST
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Jumping in - psychoanalytically ... (none / 0)

People are bitter because they CHOOSE to be bitter.

How's that? That's what I would be told in the shrink's chair.

Ten different people can face approximately the same circumstances and react 10 different ways.

There is nothing inappropriate at all in getting angry at a situation, person. It's how you handle your anger. If you become bitter, it's because you choose to. It may be an unavoidable choice for an individual, OR it may be the best choice among the choices available.

And DON'T GET ME WRONG on this. I'm not pointing any fingers at anyone anywhere for being bitter - because it's an individual's choice AND because I've done a whole lot worse than be bitter!

by Southern Mouth on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 04:48:07 PM EST
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Re: Oh, and Bree? (2.00 / 1)

Sorry, you missed the point. Barack chose to talk about rural areas using Pennsylvania as the backdrop and leave all the other areas out. You can't expand his remarks to mean the whole world no matter how hard you try. It's on tape.

by Scotch on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 05:56:02 PM EST
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Re: Oh, and Bree? (none / 0)

Perhaps you heard about a speech that he gave concerning race in america wherein he made note of anger among black people as a result of not being represented by this government.

You missed the point, or rather attempted to manufacture one.

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by lockewasright on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 06:03:10 PM EST
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Re: Oh, and Bree? (none / 0)

Those slurs are alive and well where I live. And don't forget "grease monkey."

by rhetoricus on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:22:59 PM EST
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Wow.... (2.00 / 2)

Your assumptions are out there. Let's put it this way, I've been called a spic before. Assumptions will get you nowhere.

IMO, that's why people in Pennsylvania get so offended; assumptions.

by soyousay on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:06:05 PM EST
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Re: Wow.... (1.00 / 1)

Assumptions? Read my reply to the weasel, Scotch. There are no assumptions there at all.

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by LtWorf on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:11:54 PM EST
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Re: Wow.... (2.00 / 1)

What makes a person a weasal to you? Because they call you out for degrading blue collar workers? Sounds like your into name calling. Maybe you were right there with them.

by Scotch on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:14:50 PM EST
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Re: Wow.... (none / 0)

Why?

Because you belittled someone else's experiences without knowing a damned thing about them. That's why. I could easily make assumptions about yours, but I did not.

What did I get from you "bullshit."

Like I said Scotch, you didn't know a damned thing about me. YOU made assumptions.

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by LtWorf on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:17:48 PM EST
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Re: Wow.... (2.00 / 1)

Poor excuse for your behaviour. I have to wonder why you would use name calling when it is name calling you object to.

by Scotch on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:24:11 PM EST
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Re: Wow.... (2.00 / 0)

That's right, Scotch turn it around. Desperate and intellectually dishonest. You still haven't addressed what I said.

As for the name calling: I was minding my business in those neighborhoods.

You, you were being dismissive and made some rather asinine assumptions. I call them the way I see them.

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by LtWorf on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:32:51 PM EST
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OK I read it.... (2.00 / 1)

you experienced racism in your life and so have I.

Getting back to the "bitter/antipathy" issue... generaling that rural America is racist is wrong, IMO. If Obama thinks that's going to get him votes; it's not.

by soyousay on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:21:16 PM EST
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Re: OK I read it.... (2.00 / 1)

Where did he say they were racist?

By blaming others? That doesn't explicitly reply that anyone is racist. What it does imply is that there is anger, frustration and they lash out and that, whether you want to admit it or not, is a reality.

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by LtWorf on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:34:30 PM EST
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Re: OK I read it.... (2.00 / 1)

Obama used the word "antipathy"...look it up.

by soyousay on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:53:24 PM EST
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Re: Personally... (none / 0)

I acknowledge, on behalf of all blind followers of Hillary, your contempt for us. What complete idiots we really are. Now excuse me while I go wash my arugula, I mean, clean my rifle.

by Sabrina Duncan on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:47:51 PM EST
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Re: Personally... (2.00 / 1)

I'm sure it could use the cleaning. It's been a while since you took it shooting with Gramps.

Plus you spilled all that Crown Royal on it. REPRESENT!

Fight the Smears!

by Lettuce on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:50:16 PM EST
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Re: Personally... (none / 0)

You must be referring to my six shooter, you know, the one I take on the blind.

by Sabrina Duncan on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:55:15 PM EST
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Re: Personally... (2.00 / 0)

So, it's not a sniper-rifle?

by rhetoricus on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:19:08 PM EST
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Re: Personally... (none / 0)

They're not negligible Sabrina. I'm sure the Obama campaign appreciates the bump. By the way, how's Charlie and the rest of the Angels?

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by LtWorf on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:45:42 PM EST
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Re: Bittergate: Hillary's Ringer Exposed (none / 0)

The angels are slammin, my friend.

by Sabrina Duncan on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 02:48:32 PM EST

Re: Bittergate: Hillary's Ringer Exposed (none / 0)

So, according to you he lives in Pennsylvania. What is the deal, then? Besides the fact that Obama is trying to spin his comments out to include just about everyone in rural america. I don't see the problem. You don't even have to be from Pennsylvania, New Jersey, or america to be insulted by what he said. It was just insulting. period.

by Scotch on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:00:38 PM EST

His move coincided with HRC's campaign (none / 0)

..which he's been volunteering for.

That sounds suspect to me.

Actually, what is insulting is the wealthy, Ivy -League-family, power-dynasty purveyor of NAFTA, MFS for China, the bankruptcy bill and union busting is pretending to be outraged on the working peoples' behalf.

by rhetoricus on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:17:32 PM EST
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Re: His move coincided with HRC's campaign (none / 0)

Agreed. Not to mention the son-of-an-admiral, married-an-Heiress following that lead. You know, the other candidate with > $100M in personal
wealth.

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by Sumo Vita on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:31:33 PM EST
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Obama said small towns in PA AND (2.00 / 0)

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them."

He was talking about small town PA AND other states.

So, someone from another state - NOT PA - in a Hillary ad is a BIG DEAL for Obama supporters?

Reading Obama supporters, it appears that they can't STAND Hillary - no matter what she says AND it's been that way for quite some time?! You like your candidate - GREAT! Hillary is NOT the wicked witch that the Republicans painted her to be just because she is seeking the same job that Obama wants!

I read at the beginning of the campaign that Hillary snubbed Obama because she was angry that he had decided to run for Prez? The talk was something along the lines that she was against Obama because she thought SHE should be President (the audacity of such a thought), that SHE had the right to be President. It was even hinted that she didn't think Obama had the right to run.

Talk about using Republican talking points and tactics!!!

by Southern Mouth on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:18:31 PM EST

Re: Obama said small towns in PA AND (none / 0)

If you're going to nitpick, and boy oh boy are you nitpicking, to defend this really silly sloppy lack of vetting (after how many lack-of-vetting mistakes?) you might want to note that the guy is from Jersey, which is pretty not-midwest.

And out here, people don't cling to religion, they cling to weightlifter pants and gold chains. You's guys, let's go down the shore!

Fight the Smears!

by Lettuce on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:25:55 PM EST
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And here I thought NJ was (none / 0)

in the Midwest .... what can I say? I don't support Obama so I'm always wrong! :~)

by Southern Mouth on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 04:54:35 PM EST
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Re: Bittergate: Hillary's Ringer Exposed (none / 0)

Ummm what's your point here? You're all over the place.

If HRC is the nominee I'll vote for her. She won't get any of my cash, but I'll vote for her.

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by LtWorf on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:22:29 PM EST

Re: Bittergate: Hillary's Ringer Exposed (none / 0)

Oh brother. Is Hillary STILL trying to score points with this non-story about how angry people are in PA? Look at the polls Hill. Nobody's buying this latest round of attacks on Obama either.

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by fugazi on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 03:35:36 PM EST

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